Getting an Unconventional Education

My last post featured on Brazen Careerist drew tremendous ire from a commenter named Alexis. I appreciated her point of view as it brought to light that my column may have been grossly misinterpreted by readers. Though her tone was puerile and unnecessarily vindictive, I got where she was coming from. (There were lots of other supporters though, Thanks!)

To summarize a few highlights from Alexis’ comment:

I always find it fascinating when I read arguments by people who say that you don’t really need a college degree…most often made by people who have their undergraduate degree…no one is knocking down the door of Joe at the gas station…let me give you a wake up call: the world without a degree is not wide open with job possibilities. Those statistics about earning more and doing better in life are there for a reason.

I agree that experience is important and there should be more than test scores and grades to determine a candidate’s worthiness, but if you think for one second that the working world is going to throw out this whole “degree required” thing, you’ve lost it...the next time that you decide to elaborate on what people do and don’t need from your place of privilege, think about the mom who works three jobs and rides the bus to school with her children and wishes to God she had a degree so she get a decent job.

In my defense, I said people may not need a degree to get ahead. I chose may as a modifier because I’m clear that the current belief system overwhelmingly values someone who has a degree regardless of their course of study, which I believe is a mistake. I used myself as an illustration of how preposterous it all is. My degree was 100% irrelevant to my job, but everyone felt better I had one, despite the fact that everything I needed to know I learned on the job and taking qualifying exams. Notice I didn't say that one doesn't need to learn anything.

And while I don’t think that the 'working world is going to throw out the “degree required” thing' any time soon, the great thing is I'm free to think it’s total bullshit. Certainly a headhunter is not going to pluck Joe at the gas station for a gig at IBM, but if Joe enrolled in an IT course or two in his free time (I'm not talking full-blown degree enrollment) and began as a bottom-feeder somewhere, it's entirely possible for him to work his way through the system and get a kick-ass job down the line. While statics support that a degree would get him there sooner, I'm arguing that it shouldn't be that way.

A possible solution would be to encourage hiring people who've taken a small amount of highly specialized training or a few choice college courses to appropriately match a job's most-needed attributes. This could reduce the burden of getting a four year education simply to be well-rounded at considerable expense and questionable value.

Furthermore, to be perfectly clear, I’m not speaking from a place of privilege, but of fear: I’m one of the people who’ve been scared shitless in life into thinking that getting a degree is the ultimate safety blanket. I've gone through life scared of losing everything, because it's already happened once. In fact, I don't need to think of the mother in Alexis' example. My own mother has struggled enough, thank you very much.

If Alexis would like, she could read about how my mother was held at gunpoint while the FBI seized our personal property and how I've held 3 or 4 jobs simultaneously since the age of 15 and have paid for all my education. But of course, Alexis wouldn't be interested in getting to know me, she prefers hurling unsubstantiated invective.

As an added bonus, since I'm being accused of being unfit to lead by example, I thought I'd offer several legitimate examples of people I know personally who have gotten ahead in life without conventional educations.

Mr. X – got his undergrad but got a C in every class, passing by the skin of his teeth. He enlisted in Vietnam, won a Purple Heart, yet came home without a penny to his name. He had no place to live and slept on porches until he could afford rent and one garish polyester suit from a second-hand store in which to go to work. He started at the bottom of a company and worked his way up. He is now a multi-millionaire with 3 homes in 2 states, has buildings named after him, scholarships he personally funds in addition to philanthropic work; his charity is leading to some of the most progressive research in neurological disorders.

Mr. Y – got his degree in a communist country and came to America a penniless immigrant. Not surprisingly, his degree was useless. He began working at the bottom of a trucking company while living with his fiance’s parents. Not knowing anything about truck repair, he told his prospective employer he was a fully trained truck engine repair technician. When they told him he could begin the next day, he bought a manual at Sears and memorized it. Within 4 years he owned a fleet of his own trucks and subsequently began his own business which grew to multi-millions in sales.

Mr. Z – never got a degree, enlisted in military service straight out of high school. He was also a Vietnam Veteran. Upon returning home, he busted his butt at various entry-level jobs and only took a few college-level courses to gain specific industry knowledge along the way. He is now Vice President of a thriving company.

6 Comments:

  1. Milena! How's it going?

    I read your excellent article on Brazen Careerist. Loved it; tried last night to add an intelligent - or at least intelligible - comment, but this topic sends my mind off on too many directions and whatever I said would have ended up being a thousand words of total chaos. Not a pretty picture. I was too sleepy to focus.

    This morning I followed the link to your blog and read your blog entry on Alexis the Ill-Mannered and her unfortunate comment.

    Here you say: "My degree was 100% irrelevant to my job, but everyone felt better I had one, despite the fact that everything I needed to know I learned on the job and taking qualifying exams."

    On this, I believe I can comment somewhat coherently.

    I can identify with this. I, too, had to work to pay for my education. Took me 11 freaking years, but I got through it. Like you, I ended up working in financial services. Like you, I got my licenses. Like you, I've never (directly) used much of my coursework in my career. Maybe that's why I like you so much.

    However, my one comment on your statement that everyone felt better that you had a degree despite your having to learn everything on the job is this: having a degree of any kind puts you in a subset of the population that is expected to have a higher incidence of the qualities that will enable you to be successful in fields like yours that require people to be able to learn new things quickly.

    We all know exceptionally bright people who don't have degrees and we know people with advanced degrees that make us question the entire educational system. However, every hire carries some risk. The degree requirement is a way for a company to try reduce that risk; it is an imperfect and coarse filter, but it is a low-cost way for the company to narrow the list of applicants to a more manageable subset that is more likely to have the qualities they value. There is a higher proportion of people like you, Milena - people who are bright, motivated, and can learn quickly - in the ranks of the degreed than in the larger population.

    Companies - and hiring managers - know that they can be fooled on those things in an interview. How do you determine someone's ability to learn in a one or two hour interview? It can perhaps be done, but at a cost. It's easier to play the odds.

    If college graduates are more likely to have what it takes to succeed in certain careers, that isn't necessarily because of anything the colleges are doing right. I have no doubt you could have done the things you do without the degree. But people like you expect that you will need a degree to open many doors and, being driven, are more likely to pursue the degree. That diploma is in some way a bit like money: little intrinsic value; its value is in the expectation that others will accept it. But that's still real value.

    That's longer and messier than I intended but I'll submit it just the same. But first, a couple of quick comments...

    I do think that I use the skills I developed - if not the specific knowledge I acquired (abstract algebra? sheesh!) - in my job every day.

    I also value my college education for non-vocational reasons.

    This is a rich and fascinating subject and we could explore the nuances for quite some time, but I'll stop there. Thanks for addressing the subject, Milena. You so rock.

    Have a great day!
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  2. Milena,

    Loved your post on brazencareer. I mean, LOVED it. Had to comment here as well. I'm born and raised in Detroit, but now live in LA after expensive education. I do fairly well so the NPV was actually positive (for your finance side).

    Would love for you to check out springraise.com as it's goal is to map career paths and backgrounds such that people can see the economic value of potential decisions before they make them. I just launched it last week. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Drop me a line at springraise@gmail.com.

    I've been reading the rest of your stuff, too. My mom loves opera and still lives in the area so she may have already seen you and your husband.

    Best,
    David
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  3. @ donovan - Thank you! Great insights and thanks for the intelligent dialogue. I understand where you are coming from. I would liken it to a degree being something like an insurance policy for employers - meant to guarantee a certain level of aptitude. Indeed this is a topic that deserves further exploration.

    @ David - thank you as well! springraise sounds like an interesting initiative - I poked around the site a bit and plan to weigh in, congrats on the launch! Small world too - my sister just moved to LA from Detroit!
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  4. I definitely hear what you're saying. I had a big problem with the whole idea of college a few years ago. I didn't know what I wanted to do and I didn't see how college could help me get to some unknown place. My parents insisted that a degree would open doors no matter what it was in. I think they were right.

    I don't like it either, but a degree is pretty much a requirement to get into the white collar world these days. I think a big part of it is just that by graduating, you've proven that you can handle a large investment of time and money and come out the other side a success. You've shown personal discipline and a sense of purpose. College graduates seem to perform better. I like to ponder whether that's because the degree creates a certain kind of people or whether a certain kind of people get a degree.

    Your examples are interesting, but another thing to remember is that the Vietnam era was a long time ago. College education wasn't as common back then, or as necessary. Blue collar employment provided a level of income and job security that is much less common to find today. Those same non-college graduates could get to the top by showing initiative and working hard over many years. I think the same thing is still possible today, but it depends on how long you're willing to wait. Our parents worked their way to the top, but didn't get there until their forties or fifties. That's still very possible, but if you want better opportunities even in your thirties, a college education will give you a better shot in most cases.

    But all this is basically speculation. You can't make blanket statements about these things because things work out differently for different people anyway. It sure is fun to try though. :)
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  5. @paperweightblog - I got my butt kicked by a few people on this topic. I find it fascinating though. Great point about the Vietnam era being a while ago and the work landscape shifting significantly.

    Although I could argue too that a lot of the skills we need today come faster with technology. Back in the day I'd have to know crazy math to be in my current job. Now Excel does it all for me...
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  6. Milena,

    Definitely a small world! There are a number of DEE-troiters in LA. Sometimes I think too many. ;-)

    I'm really glad I found you through your blogging. Your voice is great, or course, but your points are ones that people tend not to consider...like looking in the mirror regarding gas consumption. My brother works for an alternative fuels company.

    Thanks for checking out the site. We're still getting some of the kinks out. I look forward to your thoughts.

    Btw, I read a couple of your reply comments on brazencareerist and you're right about blogging and writing being a way to help shape people's thoughts. springraise is my effort to quantify life's career decisions. But of course, I do write a bit as well. You can check out my articles on ezinearticles.com http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=David_S_Williams

    The springraise blog will be back to its regular location soon...it's temporarily at http://springraise.blogspot.com.

    Again, great stuff you write. Keep rollin'

    David
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